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Kenneth Elwell
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paul wheaton wrote:

Kenneth Elwell wrote:The sorts of answers to “how was your weekend?” That make your coworkers say “Alrighty then...umm...hey, did anyone catch the game?”.



Excellent!

"I installed a few dozen fusion reactor radiation collectors.   And you?"



Ha ha! Paul, is this a new euphemism for "fruit trees"?

Two weekends ago, it was getting 8,000 pounds of salvaged granite and cobblestones for our farm driveway paving project (free on Craigslist, to go with the other 25,000 from other collection efforts...hooray for having a dumping trailer)
Last weekend it was setting up benches outside the greenhouse for hardening off plants, and getting salvaged cedar wood from a local fence company to use in shingling our CSA pickup shed to be built (planning to do something similar to Austrian "Schieferschindel")
This weekend, I'm back to the 7 foot by 35 foot Hugelculture, (in progress from last fall) which is adjacent to, and using soil from, the farm driveway project... and also a bit of a screen near our busy street.

"Tell me! Where did you learn to do this?!?!"
"I learned it from Permies, okay Paul?! I learned it from reading the forums on Permies!!!"

Nails are sold by the pound, that makes sense.
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Bob Gallamore
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I googled hugulculture and rocket mass heaters.  We are in the beginning stages of developing our homestead and I'm interested in both.  The hugulculture google led me to richsoil.com, which introduced me to Paul Wheaton, the one, the only, the sage, the Duke of Permaculture.  That led me to permies.com, where I discovered that some of the things we've been doing to prepare our homestead are permaculture things we ended up doing because they just made sense and seemed nature friendly.  Man, there is a LOT of good stuff to learn here.  I've suggested the site to several others I know who are making the break from the rat race.

Learn to dance in the rain.
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I googled permaculture forum, because I had a few novel plants, books and techniques to share.

My first-used and favorite thread is the Table of Books, where aggregate ratings from permies separate the wheat from the chaff.
I sourced all the good recommendations and got my knowledge up-to-date.

I think a Purple Mooseage suggesting it to new users would be a boon.

Examine your lifestyle, multiply it by 7.7 billion other ego-monkeys with similar desires and query whether that global impact is conscionable.

 
Adrienne Halbrook
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I found Permies by doing a google search for permaculture forum. I had heard about permaculture and was looking for more information. I read off and on before I really got serious about permaculture and then signed up and became a member so I could post. Permies is the best permaculture forum out there!

“No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle.” Winston Churchill

 
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I'll throw my hat in the ring here, I first learned of the permies forums shortly after I discovered permaculture in 2012.  I found myself soon chatting with the likes of Diego Footer and a number of other people here and ultimately ended up staying in a house with Paul and about 20 others at PV1.  The rest is history and I'm not really sure what happened to the next 5 years.  Burnout will do that to you...luckily the past few have been a little easier and now, I'm making time to continue being involved here with the forum that got me started.  It's been a wild ride and I'm looking forward to sharing adventures sooner than later.  Baby steps!

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Jondo Almondo wrote:I googled permaculture forum, because I had a few novel plants, books and techniques to share.

My first-used and favorite thread is the Table of Books, where aggregate ratings from permies separate the wheat from the chaff.
I sourced all the good recommendations and got my knowledge up-to-date.

I think a Purple Mooseage suggesting it to new users would be a boon.



While I think a Purple Mooseage perhaps too invasive and time-consuming, I would agree that the Table of Books might be a good thing to throw into the Dailyish on the regular, like any time there are new books added.

-CK

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein

 
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Hmmmm, maybe I could set it up to be one of the tiny ads. Those get randomly selected for each email, and that'd allow me to (1) not worry about remembering to mention the book review all the time and (2) not drive everyone nuts with repeated mentions of it that soon start sounding like spam...

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My wife and I had a dismal failure with our eggplants years ago.
My wife read about companion planting and realized we had put them too close to something they didn't like.
In the process of learning what to do I stumbled across Paul's and Geoff Lawton's videos.  It all made so much sense.  I realized my dad, and I, had been so wrong for so long.
I checked out permies.com and found it to be a priceless wealth of information and advice.
Now I watch Paul's videos, check out the dailyish, and peruse permies.com  "All the time".

Oh, and I pledged some $$$ to get two copies of the "How to build a better world" books early enough it hadn't been fully funded yet.

Your friend isn't always right and your enemy isn't always wrong.

 
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I started reading Permies when I got Bill Mollison's Designer's Manual and was looking up the word permaculture and reading everything I could find. I made an account and my first post when I looked up "what to do with a sewer lagoon" when I realized the property I had bought had one, and I hit permies, yet again. My first post was about sewer lagoons :)  

Gardens in my mind never need water
Castles in the air never have a wet basement
Well made buildings are fractal -- equally intelligent design at every level of detail.
Bright sparks remind others that they too can dance
What I am looking for is looking for me too!

 
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Christopher Kendall wrote:I was looking for clear info on rocket mass heaters and this was the site that had drawings I could grasp easily.  Nice work, Paul!  Odd that it beat out, for my attention, the site that I bought the book from.

chris



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Exactly this and I stayed for the soil science.

I'm learning a lot about building soil naturally and slowly for a much higher quality result.  I hope the stewards continue to treat these forums similarly.  Beautiful interactions will flourish and noxious invaders will find it difficult to take hold in a community built on kindness and respect.

Thanks!

Jason

P.S. It was something in Pinterest originally that I linked over from

Knoxville, TN

 
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Googled hugelkulture after a forest gardening book mentioned it. Then watched your video.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:I'm trying to be a good site steward and get the word out about this site.   Naturally, some things I try turn out to be really lame.  And other things turn out to be really smart.

How did you find us? 



That’s quite a rabbit hole. It started with the Regenerative Institute’s Facebook ad. I signed up for free classes online with Larry Korn. Those classes led me to Toby Hemingway. I devoured his book and went to YouTube for any additional information I could find. I found a video where you, Paul Wheaton, were giving a speech about the ladder of permaculture and the different levels we are on. There was a lot more to it. I believe it was a conference in California. Been here at Permies ever since. My edible landscape hits the five year mark this spring. I’ve also run into Uncle Mud at Mother Earth News and hope to attend an appropriate technology course when money allows me.

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Simon Gooder
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Back in 2011, on a whim, my partner and I were adventuring around the west coast - living out of various vehicles. We had decided to try out the Kootenays. Through sheer luck we found a tiny home for rent on Kijiji. It ended up being in a tiny little community off an old highway. The steward of the property had a beautiful mature garden, with a bunch of fruit trees, and free-ranging chickens. She and her partner allowed us to work off part of our rent every month, and introduced me to "permaculture", communal living, and dumpster diving.

I had always been interested in growing vegetables organically, but had really only experimented with container gardening.

During my 6 months there, I went down a rabbit-hole of all things permaculture. I came across Sepp Holzer's Krameterhoff documentary and I was hooked. During this time, and the years that followed, I found myself answering my questions through Permies.com, and soaking in all the wisdom.

Finally, after several more years of city living, we made the jump and bought our own property. With a need to more practical wisdom I joined Permies, and have been very appreciative of the community y'all have built.

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google search for "single off the grid" living and came upon this site.

Inmate, Natures Asylum, Siskiyou Ward

"Live Simply, So Others may SIMPLY LIVE"

 
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This is a great thread.  I first found Permies when I was looking for information about planting comfrey.  Lots of sites told me about the comfrey *plant* but only Permies had detailed information about growing and working with comfrey.  I came back later looking for information on decomposing a pile of wood chips and once again, the deep, detailed content brought and kept me back.

I have occasionally repeated my original query regarding comfrey thinking surely there is another site with detailed information about how to plant it.  But again, it is Permies that rises to the top.  Permies is a great place for many reasons but chief among them is the level of detailed knowledge one can find here.

Eric

Some places need to be wild

 
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I was looking for a an online gardening community and I saw the link. I pointed my cursor at the link, and then left-clicked on my mouse. That’s pretty much it. I never knew this was a thing, but I’m interested in learning more about your culture. I promise not to give you smallpox-infected blankets.
 
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From the resources page at permacultureeducation.org

So.. do you still play with Lincoln logs?

 
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I was introduced to the permaculture concept by online friend who was a permaculturist in Oklahoma City (now deceased) and he had extensive websites about frugality, simplicity, applied Catholic social teaching and such.... and permaculture. He was a Permie, but rarely posted.

The whole integrated/systemic/design approach appealed to me; the philosophy seemed to promise more stability and sustainability than mere ordinary gardening info.
 
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When I lived in Montana when my now 15 year old twins were still toddling around I had an argument with a friend over how to care for my cast iron skillets. He didn't think I was right about how to care for them and that they should be non-stick when cared for correctly, so to the internet I went.  I found Paul's video on an egg sliding around on a well seasoned and cared for skillet.
Then I saw the rocket mass heater videos. I remember being beyond excited!
I had bought Ianto Evans cob house book and I remember when the cob tour came out. I was hooked on the channel by that point and was reading in the forums. I was shy online in forums and eventhough I had goats, a garden, and practiced a fair amount of permaculture ideas I never posted or commented on anything. (Somehow my old account says I have had it since 2020, which is kinda weird since it was made no later than 2010 for sure.) I am finally feeling like I am doing enough permaculture to chime in, though I wish I had sooner. Thank you Paul and everyone who has kept this going all these years. It's really important in my life and I share it often with others.
 
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I was on the third page of Google results trying to find Apios. I found some before landing here, but I wasn't happy with the listing. Shipping from China on Etsy? No thanks. I found a "for sale" post here, and went down the rabbit hole. Oh, and I did buy the Apios tubers. They're doing great!
 
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I had been weakly involved with a Yahoo Group on homesteading.  When the groups went down, I began searching for options.  I stumbled on this site. I lurked for at least a year and did a few test posts.  Finally, I decided to become active.  Giving credit where it is due, the posts of Eric, Thomas, Carla, and Pearl were huge influences.  

For that matter, I spent a good deal of time analyzing the posts of Paul.  Even though we had different starting points and routes, we ended up in a similar place.

We live on Blue Planet that circles a ball of fire. Our Planet is circled by a Golden Moon that moves its oceans. Now tell me that you don’t believe in miracles....Unknown

 
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On a road trip to Missoula in 2013 we stopped for gas in Plains.
Posted on a bulletin board was a poorly mimeographed paper asking if we burned wood?  Did we want to burn less? (Well geez of course!)
The rest of the paper was unreadable BUT at the very bottom were the MAGIC words   Rocket Mass Heater !!!
That evening after returning home I went on line to learn all about RMH's...
Guess where I ended up?    
Permies.com!    
Its been a love story ever since!
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When we bought our property in 2013, I began identifying all the plants that grow on my 40 acres on top of a mountain.

Mostly they are plants I had never seen before like agarita, two-leaf senna, croton, sticky willie, etc.

I am still trying to identify the new ones that popped up every year.

In 2016, I was again trying to identify my plants, and google lead me to this forum.  I don't remember what I was trying to ID or if I found out what it was.

When I found permies I knew that this is a really great place to find all kinds of information on a lot of different subjects.

I am sure that I spent eight hours a day just reading about all the interesting threads.

All thanks to Mr Google.

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I went down the rabbit hole . . . And ended up in a happy place.

I’ve been buying Organic and pretending to be green since I was a teen in the 80’s - I guess I was classic rising two on the Wheaton scale just needing a garden to make it to three.

Moving to the US was a massive shock. It doesn’t matter how much you read or watch, being on the ground is something totally different. The map is not the terrain. I was very depressed for a long time. No one grew anything other than lawn which required seven chemical treatments to ‘make your lawn the envy of the district’. I was living in the Garden State surround by concrete, glow in the dark grass and monster pickups. All I could hear was petrol leaf blowers, lawn machines, chainsaws, chippers and in the winter snow blowers. The supermarket sold organic food wrapped in plastic flown in from Mexico. I wasn’t in a good place mentally or physically. Then my lovely wife bought me a bunch of books including Restoration Agriculture by Mark Shepard.
Read the book, felt inspired. There was some hope. I searched online for permaculture gardeners in my area and came across The Gardening Channel With James Prigioni . There was a guy in NJ who was growing a food forest in NJ. He exuded enthusiasm. I came up with a plan. Move to upstate NY and buy a place with half an acre. I followed the algorithm of recommended videos to The weedy garden
He talked about his serendipitous discovery of Geoff Lawton’s permaculture school after taking the wrong turn driving home. I signed up for his PDC. Someone recommended Paul’s book - Build a better world. The strap line about being angry was the selling point. I read it in a day. I followed links to permies.com. I wasn’t impressed with the forum structure on the PDC and I don’t do Facebook, so I jumped ship and 7 weeks later, I’m still here. My faith in humanity restored, well not completely true,  but just knowing there are a bunch of real people in the US doing the good stuff and sharing the love is awesome . . . I still want to leave NJ . . .

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A random site featured one of Paul’s videos. I was immediately smitten and began digging my first hugelkultur the next day! I had no experience growing anything up to that point. That first summer was the wettest summer in memory. Everyone’s crops drowned while mine thrived. There was no going back!

Regards, Scott

 
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I saw links to it in the permaculture subreddit. Sean from Edible Acres also references Permies in a couple of his videos, which made me more curious about it.

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Googling "how to make apple cider vinegar", probably 6 or 7 years ago!

I'm only 63! That's not to old to learn to be a permie, right?

 
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I was on the r/permaculture on reddit, along with r/gardening and r/homestead.
Permies was mentioned several times - both favorably and negatively.

I finally visited, and realized 'oH, this is that brown-and-tan forum that keeps popping up when I search for stuff about swales and hugelkulture'

I poked around, liked what I saw, and now you're stuck with me.
 
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I'm always looking for best "simplest survival" ideas. Your site has the kind of approach that looks as if it could be useful, one of several from Google searches. My patch of French terrain must be useful for some kind of food production, but at present, foraging wild fruits and nuts, and the big collection of wild weeds, has proved to be the only way to rely on its thin layer of soil. Part cliff with trees, part small river bank.
 
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A simple Google search looking for sources of Comfrey in Canada. Still looking.

 
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Welcome to Permies, Dale! I hope you will find your comfrey plants eventually. We have the Great White North forum, that could be a forum worth following or even asking for comfrey.

Even if your search for comfrey fails, you have ran into a wonderful community of people who love to talk about comfrey and other awesome things. I just got my first comfrey root cuttings this spring, inspired by Permies! The actual plants just emerged from their pots the other day. Here’s the forum for Dynamic Accumulators, that might be interesting for you.

Have fun diving in to the forums!
 
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Ooh, I just realized I haven’t posted to this thread myself!

I found Permies when I was searching for information about growing apple trees from seeds. It was love at the first sight and I have learned so much since joining.

In the fall I will plant my first apple seeds in the ground. Exciting and definitely worth of a project thread of it’s own.
 
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I found Permies from Kickstarter

Wait wait, just remembered something... When I saw the Kickstarter I already knew who Paul was. (which was one reason I didn't post here sooner...)
Today I realized I probably knew about Paul from Justin Rhodes. A long time ago I was following his Great American Farm tour. But I'm not sure if he was my intro to Paul, because at some point before I found Permies through Kickstarter (via ad on Facebook) I had already read his organic lawns article.

Anyway, this goes along with the psychological concept of priming... the short of priming is that people have to be exposed to something new an average of three times before they actually pay attention to it.

There is madness to my method.
"Life finds a way"- Ian Malcolm
"We're all mad here" - The Cheshire Cat

 
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I humbly applaud everyone who has a distinct memory of how they found about permies!

Mine was not as clear - brain fog may be my excuse...

All I can recall is that I was at a "crossroads" where I was searching for how to do certain things (due to a personal situation with our family).

Richsoil:
Things like lawn... Replacing lawn?
IPM... DE

Link to Permies:
Growing more nutrient-dense food



Of course, from there - much appreciation to Permies, the associated resources, staff, members, and so many of the historical content - I have finally been able to reach a state where I can say that I am doing what I am for the "why."

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It all started with a question. I don't recall the question, I'm pretty sure it was something I asked myself and then typed into a search engine. I was already familiar with homesteading and permaculture and whatever thread it was that showed up must have been informative. Anyway, I have grown to abhor most social media, I tolerate YouTube and now make a modest amount of time for perusing forum threads here and one other place.
 
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I don't remember what I googled (or DuckDuckgo'ed) first but I kept running into this site in my quest to try to turn our wild yard into something that I could manage. It took me 2-3 years to actually sign up.

Best serotonin-booster ever: garden time.

 
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Someone heard me at work and saying all I wanted to do was learn to live sustainably, reject all the greed, and maybe try to teach others another, better world was easily possible of we tried - he said to check this site out and that Paul and myself seemed like '2 peas in a pod'.

In hindsight that's actually a pretty small yield for peas per pod though...
 
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I followed a link from a friend at My Homestead Life. I was reading gardening help.😁
 
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Way back in February 2009, I attended a three-day workshop with Elaine Ingham, the Doyenne of Soil and Plants made Healthy by Healthy Microbial Action. There another participant talked about quickly boosting soil health via "lasagne layered" gardening using alfalfa hay as one of the layers.

While searching the internet for more info on both these subjects (healthy soil with healthy microbial populations and lasagne gardening), I stumbled across permies.com, Sepp Holzer, and hugelkultur. That same Spring, I was hired to install an entire quarter-acre backyard garden with backyard orchard. I built the entire thing on low hugelkultur mounds by incorporating all the prunings and untreated waste wood onsite, topped with alfalfa flakes and native soil. It was rad and I was hooked on gardening based on biological indicators and processes, not chemical testing and inputs. I'd been raised gardening, then farming, organically, but this newer way of working according to permaculture principles changed nearly all my methodology. As a professional organic gardener and landscaper, I adopted hugelkultur as a way of reducing my impact on local landfills by cycling all my greenwaste into my client and home gardens.

This is the first time I've used permies to acknowledge Paul Wheaton's impact on my whole thinking about ecosystems. Thanks, Paul.
 
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